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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 14:16:16 GMT
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 14:22:01 GMT
CHIMU WARRIOR 1 CHIMU WARRIOR 2CHIMU WARRIOR 3 CHIMU WARRIOR 4
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 14:30:33 GMT
The favourite weapon used by the Mochika and Chimu was the infamous MAZA : The Maza had different sizes : Smaller and lighter ones, and Heavy ones... LIGHT MAZA :HEAVY MAZA : ESTOLICA was another favoured weapon by the coastal indians of Peru. I did not understand well all the spanish explanations about it, but i GUESS it was a throwing weapon. Here image with types of Estolica : The basic spear was also commonly used by them :
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 14:40:09 GMT
The Mochica and Chimu also liked to make beautifull shields. Here are the shield models used by them : Here, images of warriors in battle ! Here, a sort of messenger (diplomat maybe ?)
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 14:44:06 GMT
Here is the book i used for references : losmochicas.perucultural.org.pe/index.htmI used the references for Mochica culture because the CHimu are practically the "later" Mochica, also the language spoken by them was the same. Unfortunately, my spanish is not good, so i might have missed out precious information of this book. I hope Filibusteria will be able to make us images of warriors after these references... wich later could be used by Meliritos. i will try to provide suitable names for them, i have found out some basic Muchik words, and i understand a bit of the grammar of this weird language...
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Post by Vuk on Feb 23, 2007 16:34:07 GMT
Here image with types of Estolica : I am not sure if this is th weapon I am thinking of (I am not much into early South American history), but if I am right I know how to make the weapon (Having made one myself) and how to use it. My friend makes primitive weapons for fun and showed me how to make some basic ones. If this is the same weapon we made (it looks like it), it is just a sharpened shaft (simple or complex, it does not matter), with back/midweighting and a rawhide attached to the back. We would hold the rawhide, bring our hand up to the back of our head, with the shaft resting along our forearm, and shoot our arm forward with an explosive, downard motion. (We had a small steel tip about 4 inches long in the front to counter weight it.) You release the rawhide before the shaft pulls it out of your hand, and it will fly quite far. We could stick it two or more inches into a log. (Though it is superbly inaccurate). We also built a small wooden "Spear launcher", which was much more effective, though perhaps not as fast. I don't know if this is the same thing, but I hope it helps. Vuk
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Post by Murfios on Feb 23, 2007 18:00:22 GMT
Chimu win in being the coolest now!
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 23, 2007 18:11:01 GMT
You are right, Vuk... i guess its the weapon you are speaking of But anyway, will the javelin animation from RTW work fine for it ? About the units, we should have (it is just an educated guess.. i hope someone who knew spanish will look more upon that book). Muchik names will be added later : Light infantry (slingers) Light Maza wearing infantry Heavy Maza Light spears Heavy spears Estolica thrower The above unit lists needs improvements !!
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Post by Vuk on Feb 23, 2007 20:57:56 GMT
Light infantry (slingers) Light Maza wearing infantry Heavy Maza Light spears Heavy spears Estolica thrower
One thing I know about South American combat, they were not organized like Europeaners. They would have warriors who specialized in certain ranged weapons, but things like the estolica were thrown into battle before a charge or from a high position. They did not have the equivalent of Europe's archers though. That should be something the Maza wielders throw in before a charge. (Of course that is not the right name, but...). Their wariors were more personalized, so it may be a good idea to have Chimu warrior or something as a base that has both a maza and an estolica. Then of course you can have the specialized spearmen. The sad truth is that they did not have a variety of specialists, so the unit differentiation will have to be mainly between factions. As for the animations, I don't think so. I suppose you could use them, as most people will probably never know the difference. One thing though, the estolica is thrown by pushing AND pulling the strap forward AND downward. It travels like a bullet. Also, they are extremely inacurrate, BUT extremely effective. My suggestion? Have them very inaccurate, but a one shot kill thing.
lol, there is my two cents, Vuk
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 24, 2007 10:26:45 GMT
Good point, Vuk. About the army and the names, i have decided to contact specialist help from that man who knows... i have sent message to the man with the book. I hope he will be willing to help us !
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Post by Filibusteria on Feb 24, 2007 17:08:20 GMT
I will make the chimu references as soon as my computer is ready (its under reparations, im on my cousin's computer right now)
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Post by Filibusteria on Feb 24, 2007 18:37:27 GMT
A light maza wielder?
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Post by rexdacorum on Feb 24, 2007 19:29:43 GMT
ITS GREAT, Filibusteria !!!!! It is very good, but i think as i see in this images, they had more decoretions into their hair... the small statues have their hairs to be decorated, or covered with ornaments... hmm , not quite sure.
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Post by Filibusteria on Feb 24, 2007 20:02:58 GMT
update: the officer is more decorated than the common people.
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Post by Filibusteria on Feb 24, 2007 22:33:06 GMT
Finished chimu unit list? Rex, give me your opinion.
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